First of all, THANK YOU for all the suggestions on questions. I felt so professional and relaxed and prepared, and the interviewers really seemed to appreciate my thoughtful questions. Dialogue was good, and the open ended questions eventually let me hear some truth I might not otherwise have heard.
I met with two interviewers, separately, each for almost an hour. The first was a corporate associate who had a background in biglaw (but more on the legal recruiting side). The second was the litigation partner for whom I would work primarily.
Pros. Sophisticated work. Clients on the level that one wouldn't necessarily expect in a firm that size. Legal geek in me kind of sqee-ed as we talked -- learning curve would be steep and awesome. Both interviewers were women and both said the primary reason they love working there is that they love interacting with their supersmart co-workers. They described a really great environment, one I think I would fit into nicely. Low turn-over. Like none, really. Last hire was over 5 years ago, still there. Even the secretaries and paralegals are lifers. I was very interested in the representative matters that were discussed, and held my own on the substantive stuff.
Cons. The new hire will be the only associate in a busy litigation department. They're hiring because their only litigation associate is now a junior partner in the department. The corporate associate observed that they probably really need to hire two or three people for the work that they do, which would allow people to specialize a bit, but they will only hire one. (Ummm... warning sign.) Then I meet the partner. She throws words like "indispensable" around, describing the associate. Nights and weekends seem
to be the norm, not the exception. Without knowing (but probably guessing) that I had kid(s), she said that I really needed to think about whether I could commit to that. She mentioned that her husband of 30+ years complains about her hours regularly.
(Oh and she called one of my references in advance simply because she knew him well -- it didn't portend any more than that. She did say he was very positive, however. I was one of the first interviewees -- they have a number of candidates they're considering. I might not hear for a while.)
$pecifics. Salary was not discussed. Billable requirement was mentioned in passing, no number attached, and the associate noted "they're human" about it (i.e. no one lost their job over it during the downturn.) Bonuses were also mentioned, but not detailed.
As for the "big" questions. I was not evasive at all about my background, kids, etc. I just didn't come up. Really. My marriage came up as an explanation as to why I lived in Texas for four years, but there was no follow up that opened the door to my mentioning the kids. Every other firm interview I ever had, someone managed to ask the "big" questions without really asking. Not so, there.
I left the interview thinking this would be so awesome in so many ways for me ... and also thinking there was probably no way I could accept if I were offered the position.
I'm glad I did it anyway. I have this fantasy they offer me the position, and I counteroffer, requesting a part time position with no benefits (and of course, that they give the full time position to someone else). They sure as hell seem like they have the work to support such a position. If I get the opportunity (and the balls) to do it, you'll be the first to know.
Sounds so awesome except for the weekend/over time commitment. But the "no turn over" is a REALLY great sign. In my insurance defense firm the turn over was crazy- even in a poor economy. So, maybe it's not so bad?
ReplyDeleteOh man, I don't know what to hope for more. The intellectual challenge sounds perfect for you. Only one associate balanced with zero turnover... well, sounds like a lot to talk about in the second interview.
ReplyDeleteTrying so hard not to squeee for you
"Nights and weekends seemed to be the norm"
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's tough.
I like your fantasy approach (except why start off asking for no benefits?). I would guess, though, that since it's such a small place and they're looking for someone to be "indispensable," it wouldn't work out. But who knows, maybe they'll really love you and will want to make it work.
Hoping no benefits translates to higher salary. I've always stayed on hubby's insurance. Maybe its a bad plan...
DeleteNo matter how it turns out, good for you for logging some quality interview experience. I'd want to talk to that junior partner before giving it serious thought.
ReplyDeleteUgh. Nothing like everything you want, with a dollop of (potential? Likely?) nasty on top. My husband is an attorney in big law, and his department is SERIOUSLY understaffed. It's been a big problem, personally and professionally.
ReplyDeleteWell, at least they let you know straight up. No hiding the ball here that you will work your ass off and never see your family much. Maybe that's why they didn't want to ask about your family life--why mention something that is a major downside to this job--horrible work/life balance. Go ahead and ask for part-time! Never hurts to ask!
ReplyDeleteWay to be prepared! It sounds like you got to learn pretty much everything you wanted to know, so that's good. I also say if they offer it, ask for a part-time position!
ReplyDeleteYou sound like you rocked it. Better to get an offer you decline than the reverse. I also like your idea of countering!
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